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Nobody Hates a Turkey Hunter More Than…
Nobody Hates a Turkey Hunter More Than…
If you asked me this back when I began chasing gobblers three decades ago I might have answered: Anti Hunters, Vegetarians, maybe Bow Hunters during overlapping weeks in the fall season. In recent months we now have our own version of wildly indignant “Camo Karen’s” among our ranks. Very much like the popularized stereotype of the loud, overbearing, self-serving, and self-entitled suburbanite soccer moms except in camo, and inclusive of men, not to discriminate of course.
To answer the titled question in real time: “Nobody hates a turkey hunter more than another turkey hunter in my spot, tagging my birds”
What is observed to be fueling this enhanced discourse is the bickering, blaming and finger pointing over the significant decline in wild turkey populations in many states in the USA. One can argue the exact years, but I’ll put a stake in the ground that the mid to late 1990’s were peak years in Central New York, and early 2000’s in Northern New York. As found in natural science, you can expect some period of peaks and valleys to oscillate after a major peak in wildlife populations. Rather than stabilize after a decade from a major uptick in population, a down trend in many areas is something that we can agree on. This did not go unnoticed by our NYSDEC wildlife biologists in New York, or the NY NWTF Chapter.
Research has been conducted and continues to be on going with NYSDEC, SUNY ESF and in part funded by the NWTF, funds raised thru licenses and other sources. New York is not alone in this as other states have similar efforts and collectively looking to solve the overall decline and provide more accurate tools to manage the wildlife resource, more tightly manage regulations, bag limits, and harvest goals.
Camo Karen’s have been blasting all over social media what is justified to disparage and blame in their view for declining wild turkey populations. Here are a few examples that are rich in selfism, and envy of others:
- Fall seasons should have been closed long ago (no discussion on how spring seasons were not a valid season a century ago, turkey hunting use to be done only in the fall. Before their time therefore did not exist.)
- Shooting hens or bearded hens should never have been allowed in fall seasons. (never mind what wildlife biologists say can be sustainable or not.)
- TSS, Hevi Shot and other heavier than lead loads used to promote long range shots are unfair advantage and decimating turkey flocks.
- Nonresident hunting should have been draw only or not allowed all together. Resident hunters are entitled to “their turkeys” We should double, even triple the cost of NR licenses and reduce their bag limit to one bird only, no matter how many tags residents are allowed.
- Grand Slams, Royal Slams, World Slams, 49 State Slams, Washington State Slams, Canadian Slams, Mexican Slams and so on are solely responsible for over harvesting declining populations (as expressed there must be 100K+ turkey hunters traveling and committing gobbler genocide each spring.)
- Despite declining numbers of hunters overall, States should not be promoting hunting tourism, or paying outdoor TV shows or outdoor writers to promote hunting to bolster future generations of hunters. Greedy capitalism is to blame.
- TV outdoor shows filming hunts as nonresident hunters is a level up offense and single handedly responsible for population declines and causes resident hunters to put up with others shooting “their turkeys.” You Tubers are the scourge of the turkey hunting fraternity and cause of declining turkey populations
- Advertising of great public land locales through tourism practices, social media has single handedly ruined the sport and decimated these hunting grounds. Odd that I can recall hunting guide articles that came out every year that gave advice on where to hunt on WMA’s with the best odds of success since I started hunting in 1985. I recall reading similar articles in very old hunting magazines in hunting camp.
- Any and all modern use of decoys, GPS, google earth, TSS, reaping, fanning, rifles, etc. have made turkey hunting easy, unfair, and decimated the populations wherever used.
As a disclaimer, the claims, opinions are posted repeatedly in social media, not my own opinion. I do take issue with fanning, reaping, stalking as safety concerns, and long range shots for an ethical viewpoint. None of which I would consider responsible for mass decimation of turkey populations.
In perusing through so many of these utterances, one can reasonably conclude that the self-serving “Nobody Hates a Turkey Hunter More Than Another Turkey Hunter Within Eyesight Of Their Hunting Spot” is the probable motivation.
The current situation with declining numbers did not happen overnight, and as far back as I got into it and long before I started, wildlife research evolves, and especially so with the advancement of data collection technologies and methods. The predictive weather modeling tool for influences on brooding success came out in the late 1990’s as biologists were concerned how it might impact flocks after successful trap and transfer programs were winding down. Similar research on using satellite imaging data for modeling land use types was identified as a significant influence on turkey populations. Research continues on gobbling activity, predator impacts, how far turkeys move due to hunting pressure, causals of avian diseases, and more recently what percentage of all these factors are impacting the declines as a sort of super storm.
Hunting licenses, bag limits, length of seasons, legal hours, legal implements, and methods are all under the direct control of wildlife agencies. They require vetted data, and practical modeling tools to set hunting season particulars, not the anecdotal arm chair bravado that we hear or read so much of. There are some cases of politics dictating policy. We are much better off when that does not happen. The loss of quality sustainable habitat, disease, poor brooding conditions are significant detractors of wildlife populations that we have limited or no control over.
It is my opinion that it is human arrogance to think we have the ability to compete with Mother Nature in a managed and regulated hunting construct when it comes to the massive effects of cold wet spring weather, disease, and predation. Market hunting was abolished over a century ago. The past decade, my stomping grounds saw only a few decent brooding seasons, and we now have more avian predators, a never ending supply of coyotes, and fishers which recently have taken hold. Folks that I have given permission to trap our place no longer engage in the activity. In the end if we continue to witness years of cold wet springs causing second and third nestings and having no significant impact on predators, no hunting seasons changes we can come up with are going to revitalize turkey flocks.
We can directly improve micro habitats. A lot of that is going on, can agree that much more could go on? As hunters we can also take up trapping or invite, give permission for trappers to come in and reduce predator numbers, mitigate nest predation, and improve survivability of prey species in general as well as our beloved wild turkey.
How many of us tolerate known poaching, rationalize taking more than our limit for a variety of entitled reasons? Sure, we cannot control what others do, but it starts with each of us. Public lands in my county are under hunted, yet flocks are shrinking there. I travel much farther than I like to in the spring, and have not taken a fall bird in NY in years. I still check on the fall flocks, but refrain from filling a tag. Spots that would hold 50-80 birds in the past now have 5-15 maybe, some spots none at all. That is my personal choice. You may decide differently.
In closing, adjustments, corrections to hunting seasons, methods, bag limits etc, will be acted upon based on the work of wildlife biologists and the evolving science that comes from ongoing research. The Camo Karen’s will not be a positive voice among the influencers that they envy so much. It is a bad look for us as hunters and only serves to be consistent with the hostile division we see across our country in far too many aspects of our daily lives. I submit that we ought to avoid all that in our refuge in the turkey woods…
-MJ
© 2021 Mike Joyner- Joyner Outdoor Media
Turkey Hunters Shot in Two Separate Events
Two unfortunate events that were being tracked have been reported by reliable sources. This brings the 2021 Spring turkey season up to nine hunters and one hiker shot. More details on prior reported incidents: http://www.turkey-talk.com/tblog/?p=2008 http://www.turkey-talk.com/tblog/?p=2051
It should be noted that the first incident reported below is single sourced from a local town police department facebook page. No search conducted thus far show the event picked up by local/regional/state/national news outlets. The second incident appeared in two legitimate news sources. Should you come across additional relevant sources and would like to share, send an email to mjoyner@joyneroutdoormedia.com It is also important to note that several anti-hunting blogs that I come across also scan and search the internet for any fodder that supports their agenda to abolish hunting. It is an observation that they search daily as coverage of hunting mishaps often appear there before showing up in resources I routinely use. I will have commentary on that in a future post.
It is initially reported that a male hunter was shot in the face in Sterling State Forest Park. Tuxedo Police Detective Stefan Christian’s initial investigation also reports that a second hunter was also shot in the leg, by a hunting partner. The incident is being further investigated by NYSDEC Police. https://www.facebook.com/TuxedoPolice/posts/1652794211776262
Chad Steven Henneman, 45, from Las Cruces, New Mexico died on April 25, 2021, while turkey hunting with friends in the Lincoln National Forest. Henneman, along with his fiancée, Marcena Flynn, and a friend were hunting in the national forest near New Mexico Highway 37 when the incident occurred. The hunting trip was his time away of service as active-duty with Department of Homeland Security Customs and as a Border Protection agent. From Leah Romero @ Las Cruces Sun News- “According to documents released by the Lincoln County Sheriff’s Office June 21, Flynn said the couple returned to their truck while the other friend remained on a mountain to hunt, but Henneman reportedly started back toward his friend. Flynn heard a turkey gobble, followed soon after by a gunshot. She told authorities that when she walked back to the pair, Henneman was on the ground receiving chest compressions from the friend.” As of this post, there are no further details nor any charges have been filed…
Obituary: https://www.gazette-tribune.com/obituaries/chad-steven-henneman/81238/
We can do better as zero incidents is the only acceptable number by following the most basic safety protocols. Each time I go afield I know that I owe myself, each of you to clearly identify my target, what is in front and beyond the target, to be be safe, to employ strict and safe firearm handling. I also owe each of you to pause if anything is not quite right, or by chance what is in front of me is not 100% as it appears. Take the time to be 100% sure…
I will update as more details are published. We continue to pray for those injured, that have succumbed to their injuries and for their families. May they heal well Godspeed.
-MJ
© 2021 Mike Joyner- Joyner Outdoor Media
Turkey Hunting Viral Neurosis
With several weeks of reprieve, most of us should now be on the mend! I dare say most of us that spend more than a weekend or two chasing pea brain sized fowl suffer some level of this viral affliction. Like many of you, I can pin point with military GPS precision when, where, and how the infection took hold. On a very cold late deer season hunt in December 1992, I became witness to a flock of gobblers being busted off the roost by incoming deer hunters below the property I was hunting. Hunting at the edge of a very large bowl on a pristine and very quiet morning, at day break, I was blown away by the voracious gobbling that ensued from the break. As it echoed out through the bowl below my position, it was larger than life and in an instant I was infected, mesmerized beyond recovery…
Each season we willing violate most tenets of healthy living with the exception of daily moderate exercise. Caffeine consumption increases dramatically. Nominal six to eight hour sleep reduces to three or four hours on a good night. The consumption of Debbie’s Oatmeal Cream Pies is enough to propel the company to have their best months of sales from March thru May. Damn fool for not buying their stock years ago. I will put it out there that we give fishermen a run for their money in boosting the local economy at the small town diners, bars, and last but not least for the consumption of gas station food.
As a member of the infamous Tenth Legion, I pamper my affliction with no intention of ever being cured of it. As I age, I may slow in my movements, fight the girth that aims to overtake my idea of how long it takes to go from point ‘A’ to point ‘B’. Yet, I’ll get there come hell or high water. We are all familiar with the quote by author Tom Kelly that captures the adrenaline, the beating of our hearts so loudly the gobbler should hear it. My experience of that peaks just before the gobbler appears. Once in sight my response is more absolute with checklists of shot mechanics. I fully agree that the day that ceases to happen, I will have concluded my time in the turkey woods. May that be well past my final days.
As our neurosis peaks each spring, and fall I wish each of my brethren in solidarity, and in common ailment a recuperative summer, and that your best scheming and planning come to fruition in your obligations to return to the turkey woods next season.
MJ
© 2021 Mike Joyner- Joyner Outdoor Media
2021 NYSOWA Spring Safari @ Sacandaga Lake
Photo: Ann Boles
NYSOWA Spring Safari at Sacandaga Lake
A long overdue and highly anticipated Spring Safari took place the second week in May in the town of Broadalbin. The Broadalbin Hotel would be our base of operations for outings on Lake Sacandaga, and gobbler chasing in secret locations in and around Fulton County. Originally scheduled to have taken place in 2020, it was canceled due to the pandemic lock-downs that we are all too familiar with.
From a most personal perspective, the safari was a heartfelt reunion for those of us that could attend. We do enjoy each other’s company and especially enjoyed a well ran safari by so many that I will thank here shorty. It was an outstanding spring safari. It was clear to this author that a year and a half is far too long for us as a group to not spend time together enjoying the outdoors. With the passing of beloved members over the the course of this down time, the loss of spending time together is ever so poignant. I will provide links at the end to those who helped make this a most memorable event.
A big thank you for setting up the event and doing the heavy lifting to make it happen goes out to Safari Chairman Stephen George from our group, Ann Boles, director for tourism for both Fulton and Montgomery counties and last but not least, Dan Ladd who is indispensable for making things come together and pitching in wherever needed. Flawless execution of many moving parts and for herding cats which we are world renown in a casual observation.
The Broadalbin Hotel was an ideal base camp for us, as it is steeped in rich history, and provided all we could ever ask for in warm hospitality, comfortable rooms, and wonderful table fare! We took advantage of a great 2nd-floor balcony for our impromptu get-togethers and a back area fire pit which we thoroughly enjoyed. The hotel provided easy access to all our activities and I might add a perfect place to stay for any outing you might want to pursue in the area. Highly recommended and there are many from our group that will be looking to return for overnight stays in our gateway to the Adirondack outings.
The outings for our safari included fishing, turkey hunting, hiking, canoeing, shopping, museum/historic site tours, and visiting craft beer breweries. Ann was our liaison with the bureau of tourism, and provided support throughout our safari and did an outstanding job in representing the county in all that it has to offer. There were so many places to see and activities to enjoy it would take far more than a few extended weekends to partake in them all.
Turkey hunting was my natural choice for both mornings, and it did not disappoint. I stepped foot in some of the best turkey woods I ever had the privileged to hunt in. Hunting beautiful dairy farms with well-managed forests was a treat I particularly enjoyed. The birds did not gobble much in the piece I hunted, but I did manage to call up jakes on both days in addition to a hen on the second. Other fellow writers drawn to the turkey woods had close encounters and there was a swing and a clean miss. A trail cam revealed a few weeks later that a few tail feathers were trimmed, nothing more than hurt pride to report. A big thank you to Jerrod Vila and his crew for putting this together.
After seeing up close the Great Sacandaga Lake for the first time during this trip, I might opt for fishing when I return. Brian Hurst who owns Fish Attractor Guide Service hosted writers from our group on the lake both days and they had action both days. A good time had by all as reported.
Our afternoon events would include a tour of Slipstream Canoes along with a live demo at the lake and a stop for a pizza party, a tour at the Adirondack Sports & Educational Museum / New York Outdoorsman Hall of Fame, and a preview of a large expansion currently under construction. A big thank you to Mike Hauser for sponsoring the visit to Great Sacandaga Brewing! We would enjoy excellent tastings at Great Sacandaga Brewing and Stump City Brewing in the afternoons, Meeting the owners and getting the rundown on their respective histories along with first-hand descriptions of each offering topped off great afternoons on both days while taking in what the area has to offer for visiting sportsmen and tourists.
Our first lunchtime presentation featured special guest Robert Smullen, NYS Assemblyman for the 118th District who took many questions and responded very candidly as a supporter of sportsman’s issues and second amendment rights. We had a zoom meeting with the NYSDEC and many questions and answers took place. We welcome the opportunity to have a direct audience and hope for more direct dialog in the future. A big thank you to Adirondack Outdoorsman Show (Mike Hauser) & Allwater Guide Services (Capt. Stephen George) for sponsoring a great lunch at the Broadalbin Hotel. The craft hamburger was outstanding in case you may inquire…
Saturday lunch was a special treat at the Pine Tree Rifle club which is steeped in history and has an impressive outlay of ranges and activities. We got a rundown of the lengthy and impressive history of the club, followed by a presentation and product demos from Black Street Archery.
Our main dinner event was held at the Broadalbin Hotel, followed by a member zoom meeting lead by president Chris Paparo. A big thank you goes out to Capital Region Pheasants Forever chapter, Franks Gun Shop, and Pine Tree Rifle Club for sponsoring the event. Our sponsors were in attendance and I personally enjoyed their comments and meeting them at our safari. On a side note, Dan Ladd and I made a quick stop at Franks Gun Shop and it is very impressive how much they carry in stock and the team of knowledgeable and friendly employees they have on hand.
Randy Gardinier, chairman of the Great Sacandaga Lake Fisheries Federation (GSLFF) gave us a rundown of the history of Great Sacandaga Lake, and a new hiking challenge: Fulton County Five, that includes a patch and certificate for completing all five trails. The trails are ideal for those new to hiking the Adirondacks. The trails that comprise the series are Indian/Stewart Lake, Kane Mountain Fire Tower, Mud Lake, Nine Corner Lake, and Willie Wildlife Marsh.
The event concluded Sunday with a few of us staying for breakfast at the hotel which I highly recommend. With a beautiful sunny day to greet us, the ride home was worth taking the more scenic route and worth the price of admission. The year’s spring safari was one I’ll long remember, and I encourage our members to come spend a long weekend with us in the future. I was duly impressed with my time here and will return in the future to enjoy it further!
Please check out the links below:
Adirondack Outdoorsman Show (Mike Hauser) http://adkshow.com/ https://www.facebook.com/Adirondack-Outdoorsman-Show-79046747861/
Adirondack Sports & Educational Museum / New York Outdoorsman Hall of Fame https://wildlifesportsmuseum.com/ https://nysohof.org/
Allwater Guide Services (Capt. Stephen George) www.allwaterguideny.com/ https://www.facebook.com/AllwaterGuideNY
Ann Boles, director of tourism:Fulton and Montgomery Counties https://www.fultonmontgomeryny.org/staff/
Black Street Archery https://www.blackstreetarchery.com/ https://www.facebook.com/BlackStreetArchery/ https://www.yelp.com/biz/black-street-archery-johnstown
Capital Region Pheasants Forever chapter https://pheasantsforever.org/
The Broadalbin Hotel https://www.historicbroadalbinhotel.com/ https://www.facebook.com/hotelbroadalbin/
https://www.yelp.com/biz/historic-hotel-broadalbin-broadalbin
Franks Gun Shop http://www.franksgunshops.com/
Fish Attractor Guide Service https://www.facebook.com/Fish-Attractor-Guide-Service-1984435795130312/
Fulton County. https://www.fultonmontgomeryny.org/ http://www.44lakes.com/
Fulton County Five Hiking Challenge http://www.44lakes.com/fulton-county-5-hiking-challenge/
Great Sacandaga Brewing https://greatsacandagabrewing.com/ https://www.facebook.com/GreatSacandagaBrewing/ https://www.yelp.com/biz/great-sacandaga-brewing-broadalbin
Great Sacandaga Lake Fisheries Federation (GSLFF) http://www.gslff.com/
New York State Outdoor Writers Association (NYSOWA) www.nysowa.org
Pine Tree Rifle Club http://www.pinetreerifleclub.org/ https://www.facebook.com/pinetreerifleclub
Robert Smullen, NYS Assemblyman for the 118th https://www.nyassembly.gov/mem/Robert-Smullen https://www.facebook.com/SmullenForAssembly
Ann Boles, director of tourism:Fulton and Montgomery Counties https://www.fultonmontgomeryny.org/staff/
Slipstream Canoes http://slipstreamwatercraft.com/Slipstream_Watercraft_2/Welcome.html
Stump City Brewing https://www.stumpcitybrewery.com/ https://www.facebook.com/StumpCityBrewery/ https://www.yelp.com/biz/stump-city-brewery-gloversville
-MJ
© 2021 Mike Joyner- Joyner Outdoor Media
Final Days 2021 Spring Turkey Season in NY
With three days left, the fat lady is suiting up for the final curtain call. Whatever the strategy you plan to roll out for the end of the 31 day war may be, I’ll throw in what experience has taught me to some measure of success. Over many seasons you can assume I learn the hard way first. Eventually I regroup and come around to getting it done.
What you have observed during the past 28 days is essential information as to locations to try, changes in strutting areas, what hens have left the playing field to sit on their nests. In any late season advice, and one that I have adopted; I will generally play it old school. We do want to send the fat lady packing before show time. With exceptions noted, late season is about conservative tactics, having very recent sightings, and locations of birds willing to talk or at least show themselves.
Gobblers here in Upstate New York are acting like mid May birds as full green up takes place. There are pockets of hens reported still tagging along with gobblers,. In the stomping grounds I check on frequently in Cortland County, I am seeing gobblers alone or with a few hens, and single hens out and about later morning grabbing a quick meal before returning to their nests. As green out is in full swing, gobbling in many places is painfully nonexistent. As learned over many seasons, if you get within a gobbler’s comfort zone, his “bubble” you can get a welcomed response.
Running and gunning has in my opinion schooled a lot of the birds. The tactic has been less fruitful for the past several decades as the population has undeniably declined to a mere fraction of the past decade, and alarmingly so compared to the peak in the 1990’s. It has been a quiet season in Cortland and many hunters get antsy and move often, when a little patience would make for less wary birds. If you follow my musings you know I like my gobblers without an advanced education. If I can locate the dumbest gobbler in the county, I am all over it. The blessings of a kamikaze bird is a stroke of luck we seldom get to enjoy. With the reduced populations such encounters are even more rare.
I’ll repeat most of this advice from prior posts- Confidence calling, feeding purrs, whips and whistles, light clucks, and very soft yelping if any. If you get a gobble in response to your calling, get ready as they may not gobble again and come in silent. It is good advice to assume a silent approach. Late season encounters often conclude in minutes not hours. Both of the two birds I won over last season started and finished this way with minimalist calling. The only clues I had one coming for my first tag this year on the 19th in NY was a series of light yelps from a hen twenty eight minutes prior, and a deep cluck moments before the gobbler appeared at thirty yards. After chasing him for three mornings, he gave me some hard lessons but also left invaluable clues for me to act upon. I cashed them in just before noon on the third morning.
Woodsmanship plays a big roll in late season success, the scouting you did last June may yield the clue that puts you in close to where bachelor groups hang. When chasing hens no longer overrides their need to eat and replenish their fat reserves you’ll find them at likely food sources. All the scouting you did in March and April gives you a database of choice roosting trees, dusting bowls, and strutting areas. Most of the seasoned hunters I know actively scout as they hunt through May. Weeks old Intel has limited use as they are either moving to find receptive hens or hanging with other gobblers. If you can sight a gobbler going to roost you have a crucial clue for the morning. I normally would say listen for gobbling on the evening roost. Although others report some roosting success, I have experienced none of that this season. I learned to roost birds decades ago,and still do, but it has been very poor in producing clues unless I manage to lay eyes on them before they roost.
If you do get a hen that challenges you, match her and if she goes all in, add one more note, it either escalates quickly or whimpers out. Girlfriend mouthing off gets the boyfriend in trouble far more often than not.
Turkeys have been chased for four weeks and any mistake you make will in most cases result in a hasty exit. Attention to details on anything you wear or carry that makes an unnatural sound, the way you walk through the woods, calling too loudly, snapping twigs underfoot, are all subject to the scrutiny of a very wary bird. It is this scrutiny that amplifies what you can employ to your advantage. Using your fingers to imitate scratching for food in the leaves, using the brim of your hat to imitate a hen stretching her wings and scratching it on the tree bark is a far more effective call than you might first think.
Should you get a bird to gobble it should be noted that what you thought was two hundred yards in the woods three weeks ago is well under a hundred yards and closing. They often won’t gobble until very close, nearly in range the last week of the season, and if you aren’t focused and ready you may miss the opportunity.
If you can get out and roost each night, it may be the final and most useful clue for the Memorial weekend. With the foliage fully out you can get in close but you’ll have to be there very early tomorrow morning. Hunt all the way to your spot, and all the way back to the truck, the entire hunt can turn around in seconds and the action can be fast and furious. Stay sharp, safe, and alert.
Best of luck the final remaining mornings of the season.
-MJ
© 2021 Mike Joyner- Joyner Outdoor Media
Pixie Swatting Turkey’s, Extended Range, Extended Wounding?
While reveling in the success of outwitting a tough old state land gobbler yesterday, one that had eluded me for the better part of three mornings, I would come upon a rather unpleasant surprise. I was taken back when it came time to conclude the happy event and prepare the bird for the freezer. Setting upon the task of removing the breast and legs for a soon to be tasty meal, I was greeted with the foul stench from prior wounds. On the left side, the wing, the breast and the legs were shot with #9 pellets that I recognized as TSS shot. None of the shot penetrated the boiler room. Currently #9 shot is illegal to use on gobblers in NY.
This would be the fifth gobbler taken, and found to be uneatable in recent years, and yes, all were Pixie Swatted. One in 2016, one in 2017, and two in 2020. All late season public land birds. All but this one taken in the last days of the season. As much as I appreciate the trophy qualities of big old gobblers, the mental exercise of outwitting them, the desired purpose of hunting them is to enjoy the table fare that results from it.
In voicing this observation and learned opinion I am claimed by the peanut gallery to be biased, hateful, beneath my stature, along with the boorish and expected personalization common to the social media experience. As the heavier-than-lead proponents are hyper-sensitive to any criticism of their favored shot shells and particularly prone to assuming entire positions rather than what is actually voiced as an opinion, I’ll run thru the default clauses that I hold to be evident.
It is a clearly stated truism that TSS and similar shot composites are much denser than lead offerings, delivering the same or more energy in a smaller frontal profile that produces better penetration. The smaller shot that does not deform as it travels through the barrel results in significantly better than lead patterns when matched well with a proper choke tube. I found this to be true with Hevi-13’s once I got a good match with a choke tube. It is a godsend to use in 410’s, 20 gauges that have limited payload and performance with lead, copper/lead shotshells. At the nominal forty-yard range, the upgrade to tungsten loads in small shot sizes makes these smaller bores a pleasure to shoot and easily tuned to be on par with a 12 gauge at 40-yard ranges (I do own a Rem 870 equipped with an ATI reduction stock that would rival any 410 for felt recoil and all the benefits of a full bore 12ga.) In a 12 ga, it’s overkill at nominal ranges. The performance gain is noted for extended ranges for those that willingly accept that they cannot close the distance in our favored chess game. The risks of what can go astray at extended ranges come along with it. Are these products effective, an upgrade? Yes, when used sensibly, abet a rather expensive solution. Anytime you want to pattern a new shotgun with these products it’s a $50 proposition at a minimum. Far more if trying multiple loads and choke combinations. To be fair, at nominal ranges I appreciate the massive punch it delivers to the target.
It is an old-school mantra that requires no apology to work a gobbler on his terms, to make your hair part, and pants wave when he gobbles. It is a fool’s errand to mention that it is perfectly acceptable that a gobbler wins the day sometimes to the sniper crowd that subscribes to any means possible. In the concept of fair chase, of a gobbler outwitted by calling and woodsmanship, the insistence of acceptance of long-range shots is rejected by those that engage in a time-honored pursuit.
What I hold to be the source of my criticism of heavier-than-lead products is the marketing and promotion of extended-range, long-range shots. Equally culpable is the promotion of it among our ranks advocating 60-100 yard shots in commentary, and in videos. When it comes to misses, crippling, wounded birds, mum is the word, crickets.
Some are quick to assert it is only the hunter themselves that is responsible for it. As the last stop in the chain of decisions/actions taken, this is true; it is also a lame rebuttal that sidesteps an inconvenient truth. We are just as responsible to lead by example, to promote ethical methods, and expect the same from the hunting products industry and suppliers. We view with disdain “plausible deniability” when politicians assert this, are we to take refuge in this from ourselves, manufacturers, and suppliers?
Can one claim long shots, wounding birds were solely instigated by these products? Of course not… With the promotion of extended-range shooting by manufacturers, suppliers, among ourselves, one can reasonably call out the practice despite the assertions and snarky personal comments. Is the incidence of wounded birds on the rise? Anecdotally? Yes. As searches do not list research or peer-reviewed studies to assert wounding more birds at longer distances exacerbated by modern shotshell technology, proponents will claim no proof of it. My anecdotal yet direct experience suggests otherwise. Hence this is commentary, not a research paper. $2 and my opinion will get you a good cup of coffee at the diner. Be sure to bring $2 with you.
In any of these discussions does anyone care to mention how much the shot pattern drops over extended range? Would a foothold over a gobbler’s head at sixty yards suffice while bearing down on a bead that covers far more than the bird’s head? Do any of the advocates care to list the drop at 80? 100? It is surmised that the failure to properly compensate for the significant drop at extended ranges is a likely contributor for body shooting these birds. Add to the range estimation error that increases with distance, there is an accumulation of things that go wrong the farther one is willing to squeeze the trigger. Variance in shells is further revealed at longer distances, Having had underloaded shells in a batch from a major ammo company cost me some dandy long beards. A lesson learned the hard way.
There will be plenty that will not be feeling the love on this topic. In my perspective, it is not an issue of improving the product, but to rethink what we promote among ourselves and what we accept, reject or tolerate from suppliers of our hunting products.
I would appreciate if when you shoot a gobbler, you do so within your appreciable skills and equipment capabilities. We owe it to the quarry we pursue, and I would like to enjoy my bounty at the dinner table…
-MJ
© 2021 Mike Joyner- Joyner Outdoor Media
2018 Turkey Hunting Incident-Acquittal?
This Recent story came across my news feed today, and it just makes you shake your head… I’ll refer to it as “The Illusion Of The Mistaken Hand Turkey.”
According to the outcome of a two-day trial in Monroe Circuit Court a week prior, the defendant, Michael L. Nanny of Gosport, IN was acquitted on two felony counts of criminal recklessness. Nanny was convicted of “Use of private land without consent.” The third count levied as a misdemeanor punishable by 1 to 60 days in jail, and a maximum imposed fine of $500.
It is reported that the defendant was accused of shooting two hunters while trespassing and using a 12 gauge shotgun loaded with buckshot. The two hunters were sitting together in full camo at the base of a tree when one of them took off a glove to take a “selfie.” According to a Conservation Officer’s report- At a distance of ten feet, the defendant misidentified the uncovered hand as the head of a turkey. One of the victims sustained injuries to the face The other victim sustained injuries to the left hand. Sentencing and a pending civil case remain to be concluded.
Rather than embellish on an initial reaction, I’ll provide a link to the news story and just shake my head as to all the common sense questions that I would expect most of you will have. I’m still stuck on ten feet, and one nagging and the somewhat disturbing question-did they do the duck lips thing for the selfie? In all seriousness, the facts as reported are alarming as a collection of too many wrongs all perpetrated in one single near-fatal event…
Man acquitted in turkey hunting mishap By Laura Lane Hoosier Times
-MJ
© 2021 Mike Joyner- Joyner Outdoor Media
Four More Turkey Hunting Incidents, One Fatality. Tracking Two more…
Sadly this is in addition to: “Spring 2021- Three Turkey Hunting Incidents, Two Fatalities.” We are into the final few weeks of the 2021 spring season, many southern states have seen their seasons completed. It is expected that we return home safely from a day afield. This season, three hunters will not return and three hunters and a hiker taken to local hospitals. The very low statistics does little to comfort their families, or to avoid the awful feeling in our guts when we think of it. A eighth and ninth turkey hunting incident victim is being researched for more info, and is lacking crucial details.
Arcadia man dies, Fall from hunting blind proves fatal
FOUNTAIN COUNTY, Ind. — Indiana Conservation Officers report an Arcadia man died in a hunting mishap in Fountain County.
Hunter wounded as shooter flees in Mason County incident
CHARLESTON. W.Va. — Investigators are looking for a shooter who remains at large in a hunting incident in Mason County.
Turkey hunter shot by another hunter in Pulaski County,
PULASKI COUNTY, Va. —The Virginia Department of Wildlife Resources is requesting help from the public for any information on the hunting accident. Accident occurred in Pulaski County
Missouri hiker shot by turkey hunter
A hiker in was injured after being shot by a turkey hunter who mistook him for a turkey…
Please indulge me for repeating in my posts:
The following tips, good practices are well advised for your safety and that of others:
- Avoid wearing the bright colors of a gobbler’s head, red, white, or blue. Large areas of black may resemble the body of a turkey. These are turkey colors, and another hunter may mistake you for a bird.
- Be 100% sure of your target. Check your foreground and your background. Those extra seconds of making sure can save a life!
- Always keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction. Don’t rely on your gun’s safety. Treat every gun as loaded.
- If you see another hunter, don’t move- any motion can be mistaken for a turkey. Instead, call out to alert the other hunter that you are there. Do not wave or attempt to get up, or use a turkey call to alert the incoming hunter.
- Do not stalk turkey sounds; it could be another hunter. Find a good setup with your back to a tree, rock, or other large natural barriers wider than your shoulders. Then go about working to call the birds to you. Stalking is illegal in many states.
- You may consider placing a hunter orange ribbon high on a tree to help other hunters identify your location, or wear on your person entering or leaving. It is a legal requirement by some states, do not assume orange to be an end-all for safety. Always identify your quarry and what may be in front of, behind, or to either side. You have no guarantee that others are wearing orange…
- Reconsider the assumed risks of using “tail-fanning” or “reaping’ techniques (using gobbler decoys, a synthetic fan, or real tail feathers) out immediately in front of you, mounted on your gun barrel or a head/hat mounted product while crawling or stalking. A fan may be large enough to hide you from view from other hunters and you may falsely assume they will properly identify you vs. a real gobbler.
- Always let someone else know where you will be and when expected to be back via text, email, or phone message. In an emergency, precious minutes can make all the difference for someone to direct first responders to your location or for someone to know when you are late returning.
We owe it to ourselves and to each other to ensure we all get to come back home safely to our families and to return the next season to spend time in the great turkey woods.
I will update as more details are published. We pray for those injured, that have succumbed to their injuries and for their families. May those injured heal well, Godspeed.
-MJ
© 2021 Mike Joyner- Joyner Outdoor Media
Spring 2021- Three Turkey Hunting Incidents, Two Fatalities.
Half way thru the spring season in our nation, millions of turkey hunters have already worn out some serious boot leather across the southern zones of the USA. It is expected that we return home from a full day hunt or mid day to the local diner just in time for the firehouse siren at twelve sharp. This season, two hunters will not return and a third escorted to the local hospital. The very low statistics does little to comfort, or to avoid the lump in our throats when we think of it. A fourth victim is being tracked for more info, and is lacking crucial details.
Hopkinsville, Kentucky- One of those fatally shot was very young, 11 years old, reported as an accident, self inflicted.
Official: Boy fatally shot in apparent hunting accident
Shasta County, California- One adult hunter shot another, reported as a “sound shot.” Very few details as to how it came together. It is also reported alcohol is suspected to be involved and an investigation is on going. The wounded hunter was airlifted to Mercy Medical Center and is reported in critical condition.
Hunter Shot After Being Mistaken For Turkey
https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/04/14/hunter-shot-after-being-mistaken-for-turkey/
Pierre, South Dakota- A father and son team bow hunting for turkeys has turned tragic, the father was struck by an arrow from his adult son’s bow, and further details have not been released. The father succumbed to his injuries and an investigation is on going.
South Dakota man fatally shot by son’s arrow in apparent hunting accident
Two and half million turkey hunters that engage in the outdoors each season. The incident rate is reported at 0.003% in an average year that an errant shooting occurs while afield. That is all well and good in the realm of actuaries and statisticians. The families and friends of these three hunters will find no comfort in it. We can do better.
Please indulge me for repeating in my posts:
The following tips, good practices are well advised for your safety and that of others:
- Avoid wearing the bright colors of a gobbler’s head, red, white, or blue. Large areas of black may resemble the body of a turkey. These are turkey colors, and another hunter may mistake you for a bird.
- Be 100% sure of your target. Check your foreground and your background. Those extra seconds of making sure can save a life!
- Always keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction. Don’t rely on your gun’s safety. Treat every gun as loaded.
- If you see another hunter, don’t move- any motion can be mistaken for a turkey. Instead, call out to alert the other hunter that you are there. Do not wave or attempt to get up, or use a turkey call to alert the incoming hunter.
- Do not stalk turkey sounds; it could be another hunter. Find a good setup with your back to a tree, rock, or other large natural barriers wider than your shoulders. Then go about working to call the birds to you. Stalking is illegal in many states.
- You may consider placing a hunter orange ribbon high on a tree to help other hunters identify your location, or wear on your person entering or leaving. It is a legal requirement by some states, do not assume orange to be an end-all for safety. Always identify your quarry and what may be in front of, behind, or to either side. You have no guarantee that others are wearing orange…
- Reconsider the assumed risks of using “tail-fanning” or “reaping’ techniques (using gobbler decoys, a synthetic fan, or real tail feathers) out immediately in front of you, mounted on your gun barrel or a head/hat mounted product while crawling or stalking. A fan may be large enough to hide you from view from other hunters and you may falsely assume they will properly identify you vs. a real gobbler.
- Always let someone else know where you will be and when expected to be back via text, email, or phone message. In an emergency, precious minutes can make all the difference for someone to direct first responders to your location or for someone to know when you are late returning.
We owe it to ourselves and to each other to act and hunt in a safe manner and promote the best practices to ensure we all get to come back the next season to spend time in the great turkey woods and with all of God’s creations.
I will update as more details are published. We pray for those injured, that have succumbed to their injuries and for their families. May they heal well Godspeed.
-MJ
© 2021 Mike Joyner- Joyner Outdoor Media
Wild Turkey Gobbler Shoots Poacher
This little gem from the past comes from a Buffalo News story published April 25th, 1992 that occurred in Potosi, Missouri. One of those “You can’t make it up” stories.
Larry Lands, a local hunter in his early forties and his sixteen year old son Larry Jr. decided to get a week long head start on the 1992 Missouri Spring Wild Turkey opener. After poaching a wild turkey gobbler the stacking of things that could go wrong, did and did so with a vengeance.
As reported, the gobbler after being shot and thought expired was placed in the trunk of the car intact along with a loaded shotgun. As some engaged in out of season poaching might be discreet, somewhat stealthy in their actions this was not the case in this matter. The father and son proceeded to a neighbor’s residence for bragging rights and to show off the bounty of their preseason jaunt.
As Larry’s son retrieved the gobbler from the trunk, the bird began flopping and succeeded in grabbing the shotgun by the trigger guard and fired a round through the car’s exterior at Larry Sr. The bird’s attempt at retribution failed ultimately, but did result in a leg wound that was later treated at Washington County Memorial Hospital. Larry Sr, was reported in stable condition at the time of the original story.
Sheriff Skiles is quoted “The turkeys are fighting back,” “They’ll probably be fined.”
A records search did not reveal if weapons charges related to a loaded weapon in the vehicle or shooting protecting game out of season were levied or any penalties resulting from court actions.
-MJ
© 2021 Mike Joyner- Joyner Outdoor Media
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